SUMMARY: Choice of Browser on Solaris

From: <devnull_at_adc.idt.com>
Date: Wed Apr 17 2002 - 17:48:22 EDT
Hello All,

Well seems like this topic has more than just me interested.
Thanks to all for replying..(too long a list)

So here goes.

1. Opera -> Almost everyone seemed to have good things to say about this
   product, so i downloaded and installed it(installation is a breeze)
   Most people find it fast, fewer crashes, nicer UI etc

   Problems: Been in Beta for 8 months now(canned ?)
   No Java, no integrated mail client for solaris.

   Commercial license $30 odd. :(

2. IE -> I was surprised to get 2 emails from people saying that they
   liked them and that it worked great for them. I have used IE once on
   Solaris 7/Ultra 10, and it was very,very slow(i wouldnt use it, even if
   it wasnt)

3. Netscape 4.x -> Most people seem to be using this, and hate it!
   Problems: random crashes, speed etc.

4. Mozilla -> Most anticipated, but those running on nightly builds,
   seemed to have a mixed reaction of sorts.

5. Netscape 6 -> Personally, i find it extremely slow(esp to start up) and
   even though it has a mail and news client, i dont like it much. Not
   many complained about Netscape 6.

6. Konqueror -> One guy running KDE liked it. (will try this tonite)

7. Galeon -> One guy liked this.(will try this soon too)

Below are all the replies that i got.

Once again, thanks to those who replied.

Regards,

Dev Null.


From: "McCaffity, Ray (Contractor)" <McCaffityR@epg.lewis.army.mil>
To: "'devnull@adc.idt.com'" <devnull@adc.idt.com>
Subject: RE: Choice of Browser on Solaris

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We use IE5, it works just fine.
http://www.microsoft.com/Unix/ie/downloads/recommended/ie5/default.asp

From: Thomas Anders <anders@hmi.de>
To: devnull@adc.idt.com
Subject: Re: Choice of Browser on Solaris

devnull@adc.idt.com wrote:
> Currently, we use Netscape 4.76/4.79 as our browser, and i am not
terribly
> pleased with the way it behaves some(most) of the times. Randomly
crashes,
> freezes up etc. Has anyone had good luck with
Mozilla/Opera/Galeon/Konqueror
> or IE(just kidding).

We prefer Mozilla and it works fine, but it needs much more resources
(cpu, memory) than Netscape 4.x. Although Galeon is based on Mozilla, it
has problems with X.509 certificates which Mozilla handles fine.

My $0.02,
Thomas

-- 
Thomas Anders <anders@hmi.de>
Hahn-Meitner-Institut Berlin, Germany

From: Justin Stringfellow <js70062@twinkie.uk.sun.com>
To: devnull@adc.idt.com
Subject: Re: Choice of Browser on Solaris


>People use Netscape to browse and for email also.

Opera is no good then since it doesn't include a mail client, unless
you're OK
with installing a seperate mail client to go with it. Actually I'd say
opera
looks very promising - although it's been a beta product for a good nine
months
now, I'm wondering when the real thing will be available. It certainly
feels
quicker than Netscape.

However, Netscape 4.x seems to be the de facto standard here...

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From: Lars Hecking <lhecking@nmrc.ie>
To: devnull@adc.idt.com
Subject: Re: Choice of Browser on Solaris

devnull@adc.idt.com writes:
> Hello Managers,
>
> Not a solaris question, but i was hoping on getting some valuable
insight
> from ya'll.
>
> Currently, we use Netscape 4.76/4.79 as our browser, and i am not
terribly
> pleased with the way it behaves some(most) of the times. Randomly
crashes,
> freezes up etc. Has anyone had good luck with
Mozilla/Opera/Galeon/Konqueror
> or IE(just kidding).

 netscape 4.79 works fine for me, no crashes, but I don't use it much.

 I'm tracking mozilla cvs, but that's sort of a rollercoaster ride as
 stability/bugs changes almost daily. I run it directly from the build
 directory, and when it doesn't properly, I do a make distclean and wait
 for the next day's cvs updates. If it works fine, I build a package and
 install it somwehere else, always keeping the installed version before
 that, and sometime keeping another version around that proved
exceptionally
 stable.

 mozilla from yesterday's cvs, and possibly going back two weeks or so,
 is unable to show me the web pages of the Iris Times - I get an info
 box with "Document contains no data", whereas netscape shows everything
 just fine.

 However, you can assume that stability usually peaks at or around
milestone
 release time.

 Not really helpful, just my experiences with mozilla.

 -l

From: ed.rolison@itc.alstom.com
To: devnull@adc.idt.com
Subject: Re: Choice of Browser on Solaris


Lynx!

From: John Martinez <john@mtbiker.net>
To: devnull@adc.idt.com
Subject: Re: Choice of Browser on Solaris



devnull@adc.idt.com wrote:

> Hello Managers,
>
> Not a solaris question, but i was hoping on getting some valuable
insight
> from ya'll.
>
> Currently, we use Netscape 4.76/4.79 as our browser, and i am not
terribly
> pleased with the way it behaves some(most) of the times. Randomly
crashes,
> freezes up etc. Has anyone had good luck with
Mozilla/Opera/Galeon/Konqueror
> or IE(just kidding).
>
> There are a plethora of new browsers out there, and i am trying decide
> what to go with.
>
> People use Netscape to browse and for email also.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Regards,
> Dev


I've been using the Mozilla nightly builds on Solaris 8 for about two
weeks now. They work great. The latest nightly build I tried (20020415)
doesn't run for some reason, though. There are bugs, so if you want more
stability, I would stick with the milestone releases or with Netscape 6.
Since Netscape 6 is based on Mozilla, the features are almost the same,
except that Netscape 6 offers the "AOL"isms like AIM and such. Mozilla
supports mail and news like Netscape 6.

My next choices are Netscape 6 (download from Sun), and Konqueror since
I use KDE.

Of the three, Konqueror seems the fastest on my Ultra 10.

-john

From: "Connolly, Michael" <Michael.Connolly@itt.com>
To: "'devnull@adc.idt.com'" <devnull@adc.idt.com>
Subject: RE: Choice of Browser on Solaris

You would think the Sun-AOL Alliance would have addressed these issues
with
Netscape on Solaris :-(          Please be sure to summarize - I'd be most
interested in what you hear.

Regards,
Michael J. Connolly
North/South American CAD/CAM/PDM Systems Mgr
ITT Cannon/C&K Switch Products
617-926-6400 x8302

From: Ric Anderson <ric@opus1.com>
To: devnull@adc.idt.com
Subject: Re: Choice of Browser on Solaris

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When (if) ms releeases IE 6 for Unix, we might have a decent browser.  I
(like you) and growing more disenchanted with netscape 4.x, and the beta
6.x Sun made available was even worse.  Mozilla wouldn't  work because it
died trying to convert netscape bits (that might have been fixed by now).

Where I work, most Sun users now use sylpheed for mail and news, and
limp with netscape or i.e. 5.5 for a browser.   I got so frustrated with
the
Sun desktop mess (not enough video memory in a 1 year old system to
run 1280x1024 with 24 bit color, no decent browser,...) that I traded my
UltraSparc-10 for a Windows 2000 box.   I use Xwin-32 from starnet.com to
administer the Solaris machines.   Win2k has proven to be a rock solid
stable platform for mys desktop use.  It scares me (as a Sun lover) to
know ms has an OS this good.

Cheers,
Ric Anderson (ric@Opus1.com)

From: David M. Spreitzer <dspreitzer@hscil.com>
To: devnull@adc.idt.com
Subject: Re: Choice of Browser on Solaris

I've experienced the same problems as you have with Netscape 4.x and
upgraded to 6.2.1 and the crashes/hangs have minimize but performance
seems to be a bit slower.

From: Mike Bruno <isentropic@lycos.com>
To: devnull@adc.idt.com
Subject: Re: Choice of Browser on Solaris

Dev,

I've had very good luck with Opera.  Its well
written and well thought out.

It will, however, crash every now and again
(not nearly as often as Netscape) but the software
handles this very cleanly.  On the next invocation,
a popup will appear stating that Opera has exiting
uncleanly and gives you the option of continuing browsing
where you were when it crashed.  If you had
ten windows open, then all ten come right back.

I think this bodes very well for Opera.  The
developers have recognized a problem and, while
they haven't been able to eliminate it, they have
provided an acceptable way around it.  You
can see this type of thoroughness throughout
the program.

Not to mention a plethora of options.

Unfortunately, the Unix versions of Opera don't
come with a mail client.  Opera will, however,
interface nicely to whatever mail client you specify.

Mike
--

From: Gerard Henry <Gerard.Henry@cmi.univ-mrs.fr>
To: devnull@adc.idt.com
Subject: Re: Choice of Browser on Solaris

i use mozilla 0.9.9 and i m very happy with it on solaris 8.
-- 
Gerard HENRY

From: Tim Chipman <chipman@ecopiabio.com>
To: devnull@adc.idt.com
Subject: Re: Choice of Browser on Solaris

I'll be very interested to hear what your summary reveals on this topic
:-)
since I'm also very curious about this topic.  My observations so far,

-netscape 4.X lineage has real stability problems when java, javascripts
are
enabled.  we use a lot of applets developed in-house on our intranet site
here,
and netscape-solaris crashes with insane frequency.  (in contrast,
netscape-Win
or IE-win or Netscape/IE on MacOS work just fine for the same content).

-netscape 6 lineage including mozilla core seems to be signficantly slower
/
more bloated than the old 4.X netscape, and still appears as crash-prone
for
our java applets in general.  Possibly the newest netscape 6.2X (?) rev is
a
bit less slow though ?

-Opera seems very snappy but the solaris (beta) version doesn't yet
support
java plugin. For basic HTML rendering it is fast and stable in my testing.
Alas
the project hasn't moved out of beta in over 8 months, so I suspect it is
orphaned. Sigh.  (the linux version, in contrast, has moved forward a lot
since
then and also has java plugin support...)

-I have used IE5 on solaris (initially I was even amazed it existed) and
found
it behaved "fairly well" for basic content. Java plugin support was a bit
of a
mess and I was also not thrilled with memory / CPU footprint of IE.

-No experience with the other browsers (is there a konquerer solaris sparc
port?) on solaris so can't really comment, sorry.

As far as I'm concerned, Sun is really in trouble if they can't get a
decent /
stable  browser working on solaris - that is, assuming they still want to
pretend being semi-serious about providing a halfway decent desktop work
environment / OS.  Right now, the Netcape browser solutions stink if you
need
lots of java integration, which seems particularly ironic given that sun
is
sort-of -supposedly interested in promoting java in general :-)


Just my 2 cents ...


--Tim
From: Andrew J Caines <Andrew.J.Caines@wcom.com>
To: devnull@adc.idt.com
Subject: Re: Choice of Browser on Solaris

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Warning: opinionated response ahead.

> Currently, we use Netscape 4.76/4.79 as our browser, and i am not
terribly
> pleased with the way it behaves some(most) of the times.

Same with everyone else since around 4.0 (or 3.0 depending on your view).

> Has anyone had good luck with Mozilla/Opera/Galeon/Konqueror
> or IE(just kidding).

I use Mozilla primarily. It's probably the best browser that runs with no
large baggage on Solaris. It works well, is very functional and is also
being actively improved and should make a good 1.0.

Disadvantages are that it's a pig to build and release binaries are only
available for Solaris 8. Snapshots work on 7 (and maybe 2.6), but are
often less reliable. Java is iffy.

I haven't tried Opera on Solaris, but though many folks like it, I didn't
enjoy the UI when I tried it some time back.

Galeon is the best browser out there. I'd love to run it on my Solaris
box, but there is no way I am going to track all the dependencies. I use
it
on FreeBSD where the ports collection does all the work for me. The moment
there's a package (with deps) or OpenPKG, I'll switch.

I've never used Konqueror because I've never tried KDE. The KDE users seem
to like it.

IE is available for Solaris and does "run". I haven't tried it since 5.0,
when I found it to be unbearably slow - mainly due to the API layer which
(as I understand) is used to run the app. I also don't like MS UIs.

Netscape 6 should be avoided since it combines the worst of old Mozilla
with the worst of Netscape junk.

There is at least one other browser worth adding to your system: w3m.

w3m is a terminal based browser which can do just about everything -
frames, tables, cookies, SSL, ... and images. It can even handle mouse
input - you can double-click on links in a terminal!

See http://w3m.sourceforge.net/ for details.


You may want to dig on Slashdot, as there have been a couple of good
browser reviews in the last few months.


-Andrew-
-- 


From: David Foster <foster@dim.ucsd.edu>
To: devnull@adc.idt.com
Subject: Re: Choice of Browser on Solaris


I had tried to install the Netscape 6.2.1 beta version from
Sun's site but the installation script failed. Haven't had
time to track it down. I've heard 6.2 is a big improvement
over 4.7x.

Dave Foster

From: Greg Polanski <greg_polanski@adc.com>
To: devnull@adc.idt.com
Subject: Re: Choice of Browser on Solaris

Netscape 4.76 and 4.78 on solaris 7  has been very good for me.
Netscape 6.2.1 is good too.  4.7* is nicer for copy paste
than 6.2.1

I also used opera and it is fine.

greg

From: Jay Lessert <jayl@accelerant.net>
To: devnull@adc.idt.com
Subject: Re: Choice of Browser on Solaris

On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 09:49:12AM -0400, devnull@adc.idt.com wrote:
> Hello Managers,
>
> Not a solaris question, but i was hoping on getting some valuable
insight
> from ya'll.
>
> Currently, we use Netscape 4.76/4.79 as our browser, and i am not
terribly
> pleased with the way it behaves some(most) of the times. Randomly
crashes,
> freezes up etc. Has anyone had good luck with
Mozilla/Opera/Galeon/Konqueror
> or IE(just kidding).

I've been using the Solaris/SPARC Opera beta for almost a year now.
Compared to Netscape,

Plus:  Much faster.
Plus:  Much fewer crashes.
Plus:  Works on *almost* every website I need.
Plus:  Superior UI.

Minus: No Java.
Minus: Been in beta almost a year, with no revisions.
Minus: View source just plain doesn't work.
Minus: Some websites plain don't work and you either have to fire
       up Netscape for that site, or never visit that site.  I do
       about half and half.

Even with the minuses, Opera is still my daily browser.  I still end up
using Netscape 2-3 times/week, but there is no temptation to leave it
up, Opera is that much faster and more stable.

Haven't tried Mozilla/Galeon/Konqueror.

From: Farouk Khawaja <cresentmoon@khawaja.ws>
To: devnull@adc.idt.com
Subject: Re: Choice of Browser on Solaris


I used mozilla and liked it, but the 'tabs' feature
kept causing it to crash on my Sol8 box.  The problem
with some of the other browser options is that they
don't or have limited support for flash and other such
technologies.

I'm using Netscape 6 from sun and it works pretty well.

You can find it @:
http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/netscape/getnetscape621.html

good luck.

From: Bertrand_Hutin@notes.amdahl.com
To: devnull@adc.idt.com
Subject: Re: Choice of Browser on Solaris


Opera works fine. I use the 5.11 Beta.




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